[Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Manganese
Paul Randall
paul at plrandall.com
Fri Aug 9 23:56:05 UTC 2024
In response to what David Woof has said, I agree.
We can beat this horse to death over and over, with diminishing returns as to the benefit, other than patting ourselves on the back for our ability to rationally discuss atoms.
With sensible precautions, simple cleanliness and diligence, we can overcome 99% of the dangers we discuss. And, at the same time continue to experiment and enhance our art, safely.
The most fruitful discussion in my mind is precaution, cleanliness and diligence.
PLR
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From: Clayart <clayart-bounces at lists.clayartforum.com> on behalf of David Woof via Clayart <clayart at lists.clayartforum.com>
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Subject: Re: [Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Manganese
Ron, you leave me breathless. (pun intended)
How outrageous these "Studio Dangers" discussions are prone to become, is aptly summed up in this quote from Peter Ditto, social psychologist:
“People are capable of being thoughtful and rational, but our wishes, hopes, fears, and motivations often tip the scales to make us more likely to accept something as true if it supports what we want to believe.”—Peter Ditto, social psychologist.
So let us start this "outrageous" discussion with verifiable facts that a group of the Worlds acclaimed and recently passed potters lived long and productive lives using all the materials now feared to extreme measures by fear and fear mongering.
And yes, we know of a few modern ones who died from over exposure to fumes while glazing and firing. These "modern masters" were not stupid or ignorant by any definition so why then did they succumb early? Was it denial in that "I know the dangers, but I'll be careful," or denial in that "it won't happen to me"...........(more blanks to fill in please}
But Ron, you, I, we and others have kicked this horse to virtual death and beat the drum to a deafening crescendo. Sill it is obviously falling on deaf ears of some folks.
With so much information readily available, the smart folks can inform/educate themselves to the degree that they can then come with intelligent questions and ideas to discuss the deeper issues of Ceramics chemistry, form, function, artistic expression, and firing methods.......
So since the smart ones already know how to operate a safe studio, and the dummies never will, I have stopped beating my brains about how to help them. Ignorance is a choice, and a bumper sticker aptly advises these afore mentioned folks: "Save the World, Kill Yourself"
I'm sure this rant though in keeping with truth, has Outraged more than a few, How about You?
Next let's talk about the stupidity of outright banning of Talc........
Love to all, including unhappy Trolls and those cowering in fetal positions. Eat your vegies, sing and dance like no one is watching and piss out those toxins you fear......
Misneach,
David Woof..................................................................................................................................................................
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Subject: Re: [Clayart] Clayart Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Manganese
I agree mostly with Vince. I suppose it is a stretch but maybe
possible if clay containing granular manganese was ground underfoot
enough - perhaps? - the particles could be reduced to the danger
point. I have been in such studios!
I doubt if the fumes from granular manganese would be much of a
problem. If you are breathing kiln fumes there are much more serious
issues.
We have not had a go around on studio air quality for a while. Anyone
have some something outrageous to say about that?
RR
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